Wednesday, January 4, 2012

Marine Le Pen versus immigrants

Marine Le Pen
The Pretty Face of French Hate
Starting this year it will be harder to obtain the French nationality. You will need to pass a test on French culture and history and speak French as well as a 15-year-old native. This is actually pretty much in line with many other countries, but critics claim that this is pandering to the far right. But I don't want to talk about that. Instead, I want to focus in a very interesting paragraph (emphasis mine):
Marine Le Pen, the popular leader of the anti-immigration National Front, has been campaigning in favour of a ban on dual citizenship in France, which she blames for encouraging immigration and weakening French values. While several UMP members have endorsed her stance, Guéant has stopped short of calling for a ban on dual nationality, largely because of the legal difficulties such a move would entail.
Got that? Marine Le Pen, leader of a party whose name in other countries is cover for blatantly pro-Nazi political groups, wants to ban dual nationality.

No big surprise, right? However, Le Pen has repeatedly made another curious demand:
Ceux à qui nous avons eu la générosité d’accorder la nationalité française doivent pouvoir la perdre s’ils ne respectent aucune des règles de notre pays.
Loosely translated:
Those to whom we've had the generosity of granting French citizenship should lose that citizenship if they don't respect the laws of our country.
Again, nothing too surprising from the racist right.

But put those together: if you become French, they want to take away your other citizenship. If they then point their fingers and cry j'accuse!, they'll take away your French citizenship.

In other words, you'll be stateless. What then? The French can't deport you because no one will take you! Keep you in concentration camps for the rest of your life? Didn't think this one through too carefully, did you Marine? Or maybe you did and are hoping the French hear the big words and don't read the small print.


  1. Interesting. Hope they hear ..btw I like the word "stateless" :-)

  2. That is already case in Netherlands, you need to give up other citizenship(s), and if you commit crimes too severe, they could take NL one away...

    There is one thing (beside €) uniting Europe, fear from Muslims. And they should be scared, just look at Kosovo (I am Serbian - but you know my thoughts - I love everyone as much as they love me, sign included). Too bad EU is trying same things that failed on Kosovo ... First trying to integrate, then separate ...

  3. It's not possible to ban dual nationality: since the nationality is given to individuals by sovereign states, a state A cannot decree that individual X should no longer be a national of state B. So it's all demagogical declarations.

  4. Without getting into the politics of it, I find this quite interesting because, for reasons other than the ones above, my Father was stateless for a number of years.

    Basically, he was born in Germany of Polish parents. This made him, to the Germans, Polish. When in boarding school in England, he went to the Polish embassy to get a new passport. They basically said "we know your kind - you're not really Polish, you've probably never even been to Poland. Forget it." Of course, when the war broke out, they tried to conscript him. So, for the time he was in the RAF and his early years here in the states, he was stateless. I still have his papers of statelessness around somewhere.

    I guess the tl;dr is, the above is only *one* example of how governments will often try to screw you any way they can think of.

  5. So sad to see leaders refer to previous generations' barbaric ways, only to follow up with similarly close-minded pandering.

  6. This is not yet the case in the Netherlands. Government is exploring it because of the stupid cooperation with Geert Wilders, but they are facing the same issues. All rhetoric.

  7. Well, I wouldn't worry about this. The Front National can't be elected (see what happened in 2002).