Monday, March 19, 2012

More Americans Giving Up Citizenship Than Reported

To the masses who've showed up to read this story, if you're interested in moving to another country, read my Start Here page. Or if you're interested in my response to the comments everyone has left, read about The Aftermath.

Important Note: I am not a lawyer and the following is my ad-hoc interpretation of data. Do not consider the following to be a legal description of your situation.

When I wrote about US Renunciations Hitting New Record, Eric from notlearningcantonese wrote:
And not to sound like a tin-foil-hatter, but I've personally come to the conclusion that renunciation statistics are deliberately being under-reported. I didn't believe this theory at first because the one renunciant I know personally (a classmate) actually did show up in the list, but every time I dig into the numbers I find something suspicious. E.g. there's about 8,000 Americans per year naturalising in EU countries, according to Eurostat --- but the number who naturalise in countries which disallow dual citizenship is greater than the number of names in the "name and shame" list.
And that got me to digging. What I needed, specifically, was source data. First, I grabbed the list of Americans who have acquired EU citizenship. Their interface is an abomination, but once you've assembled the correct data, you can export it in a variety of formats.

Then I marked the countries which do not appear to allow multiple citizenships and I summed the total number of Americans acquiring citizenships in those countries, per year, discarding years before 2002 as the data seemed too incomplete.

Then I added in the Federal Register data on individuals who have chosen to expatriate (reported under 6039G of HIPAA). Actually, this data is so abysmally organized that I calculated 2002 and 2003 and grabbed the remaining years from the International Tax Blog.

As for the countries in the EU which do not allow dual citizenship, they are, as near as I can tell:
  • Austria
  • The Czech Republic
  • Germany
  • Latvia
  • Lithuania
  • Luxembourg
  • Netherlands
  • Slovakia
  • Slovenia
  • Spain

Of course, it should be noted that there are always exceptions to the rule. For example, the Netherlands generally will not allow a naturalized citizen to hold another citizenship, unless they are naturalized via marriage. All countries have all sorts of exceptions, but I suspect you'd find that the majority of naturalized citizens do not fall under the exceptions.

Further, you'll note that the data below is incomplete. Not all countries reported their figures for the Eurostat data, with the UK's omission being particularly glaring for 2009. (Dashes indicate missing data).

Country/Year 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010
Austria 22 17 39 33 28 41 62 45 13
Belgium 135 145 118 110 121 122 160 158 -
Bulgaria 1 3 4 2 1 5 8 - 2
Cyprus 4 - - - 40 30 65 52 -
Czech Republic 0 0 7 11 3 1 1 2 6
Denmark 60 43 56 51 45 17 21 23 13
Estonia 0 - 0 - 0 0 0 0 0
Finland 1 32 90 81 36 42 82 22 38
France - - 694 149 - 602 499 466 517
Germany 164 232 267 357 429 434 595 578 784
Greece - - - - - 37 175 127 189
Ireland - - - 888 1,518 1,841 96 120 112
Italy - 118 - - - - 356 333 251
Latvia 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6
Lithuania - 5 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
Luxembourg 0 0 2 2 0 2 3 47 44
Hungary 1 2 2 3 4 12 11 9 2
Malta - - - - - 16 44 37 50
Netherlands 225 181 181 267 217 195 199 230 -
Poland 8 32 41 59 8 24 44 47 50
Portugal 127 95 81 65 55 - 26 34 -
Romania 5 0 0 1 0 - 85 56 -
Slovenia 11 8 14 6 9 9 9 18 23
Slovakia 187 97 136 64 113 110 8 5 7
Spain 125 98 113 90 111 117 133 73 78
Sweden 578 397 293 358 430 344 286 311 423
United Kingdom - 2,490 3,180 3,315 3,020 2,786 2,206 - 2,922
Total Expats 1655 3995 5318 5912 6188 6788 5174 2793 5530
Effective Renunciations 735 638 759 830 910 910 1010 998 961
Reported Renunciations 425 537 631 762 278 470 231 742 1,534

Update: Apparently Denmark's figures should have been included. My check of countries which forbid dual citizenship was pretty quick, so I'm not surprised. Enough American become Danish every year to definitely increase the number of effective renunciations.

As you can see, aside from 2010, every year shows that more Americans obtained citizenship in countries which do not allow dual citizenship than Americans having reported as renounced. Heck, just for 2008 we have Germany reporting twice as many Americans acquiring German citizenship as there are reported renunciations. Under US law regarding dual citizenship, Americans acquiring citizenship in another country do not automatically lose their US citizenship. However:
Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship.
I think it could be reasonably argued that voluntarily acquiring citizenship in a country which requires that you relinquish your US citizenship falls under Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act. Or you might claim not that you lost your US citizenship, but that you assumed you lost it since that is the law of your new country, thus making a plausible defense for why you should not be subject to US taxes.

Further, when you check the number, realize that US expats in Europe are only about one quarter of worldwide US expats.

One missing piece of information: I have not been able to find out the process by which people demonstrate to their new country that they have given up their previous citizenship. I've done a lot of searching on the Web and posted questions to message boards, but I have no answers yet.

The Federal Register data on US renunciations are of very bad quality and the collection processes are abysmal, so it's difficult to get real numbers here. Further, I've read (and don't have links for) that both Mexico and Japan don't actually force you to relinquish your citizenship, even though it's required by law.

However, if you're an expat who's acquired citizenship in one of these countries and you're in FATCA hell with the IRS trying to drive you into bankruptcy, this could make for a very interesting defense: even if you don't formally renounce, you may argue that you lost your citizenship anyway. I've never heard of a case where someone has argued this defense before, but it would be very, very interesting.

Why are reported renunciations so low? Because to show up in Federal Register list, you have to formally renounce with the US State Department and they turn that information over to the IRS, who then publishes that information in the Federal Register. This appears to be a manual process, with many names omitted and sometimes duplicated. Further, if you lose your citizenship outside of this process, it is presumably not reported.

While it appears that the number of Americans acquiring EU citizenship has remained fairly constant over the past decade, with 1,781 (most of them likely in Canada due to FATCA issues) Americans being reported as renouncing last year (the highest on record) and the probability that this number (whether real or reported) is likely to be even higher next year, I think there's a chance that the number of ex-Americans might start to approach levels that policy makers sit up and take notice — particularly if anyone argues successfully that they lost their US citizenship due to acquiring an exclusive foreign citizenship.

78 comments:

  1. In Austria if you want to gain citizenship you need to renounce US citizenship (as stated above).

    The way this works is

    1.) Get a note from the Government guaranteeing Austrian citizenship pending renunciation of your existing citizenship. This is valid for 12 months I believe.

    2.) Renounce citizenship at the US Embassy

    3.) Bring the official docs back to the Austrians, and you're done.

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    1. Austria - Thanks for the info - I would prefer Switzerland, but MUCH more difficult to get into and become a citizen and $$$$$$ - But Austria and Switzerland are close neighbors - Love the culture and class! I will have to do more research on Austria. Thanks!

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  2. In Japan it is a bit of a honor system, (like a lot of other Japanese things) where you declare that you renounced your citizenship, but not 'prove' it.

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  3. Americans are jumping from the frying pan into the fire, and this is a good thing? How is acquiring citizenship in a EU country "better" than staying in the usa? The EU is demonstrably morphing into a super soviet-like monstrosity, the euro is in far worse shape than the dollar, many countries are defaulting and devouring their own, and we are supposed to believe that the "brightest and best" are leaving our shores for greener pastures? It doesn't make sense. At any rate, let these cowards go. To abandon the ship when it is going down proves that regardless of their native status, they were never one of us to begin with. Please don't come back. We don't want you.

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    1. People are likely leaving due to things like the Patriot Act, and now the NDAA. The economics of these countries im sure is a counterpoint however.

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    2. We leave because we prefer to live amongst people that have a firm grasp on reality, unlike yourself.

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    3. Would you feel the same about a German Citizen in 1935 who emigrated to America because he could read the Nazi handwritting on the wall? Well, it is 1935 Germany in America right now.

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    4. Keep this in mind. There is no right to bear arms in these countries. This is MY country. I will not give it up. For those that have lost their balls(or never had any) go. We don't need sunshime patriots.

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    5. Actually, we DO have the right to bear arms in Italy. But we need to register our firearms with the authorities and pay a yearly license tax.

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    6. Actually, many European countries have extremely high rates of gun ownership. The idea that we're not allowed to own guns is generally a myth.

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    7. well, the economy in many UE countries may not be as "good" as US economy... but then again - i don`t think that there is another country in the whole world that has more debt then US. i mean come on, the US now are actually OWNED mainly by China. and now with your "Patriot Act", "NDAA", SOPA, PIPA, ACTA and stuff like that you`re being enslaved by your gov. it won`t be long until martial law will be implemented and then it`s gonna get really hot. Americans should be proud of their people but not their government,

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    8. i think your assessment of Europe is way off. First I must ask have you been to Europe? then I ask if not where do you get the idea that Europeans are suffering more than people here in the United States? Yes they are going through the same free trade neoliberal crisis that we are going through now but they have started their decline from a much higher point. I mean before the world economic crisis almost every country in the E.U provided better health care, education, and standard of living (and they still do but it is in danger due to neoliberal policies of the worldbank, imf, and EU). However look at america, i mean have you paid any attention to the legislation being passed the NDAA or Senate Bill S679? America is also a country in a perpetual state of war, this place sucks, I don't want to pay taxes here so i let my 100,000 in student loans default aiding in the countries collapse while I migrate the fuck out of here, see ya bitches

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    9. "let these cowards go. To abandon the ship when it is going down proves that regardless of their native status, they were never one of us to begin with. Please don't come back. We don't want you."
      WOW you are one ignorant bastard haha.
      I spend over half of the year out of the country working only to have the irs tell me that they want more money from me.... screw that and screw this country. the debt is completely awful and the only credible thing that you mentioned in your idiotic post is that america is a sinking ship... that part is very true and you must be stupid for wanting to keep supporting a government that does not care about you one bit.

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    10. Maybe they're leaving because the majority of the people in the U.S are imbeciles who will believe just about anything that mainstream media tells them, they will believe any politician running for office, high crimes, political and financial fraud, terrible education system. I love this country as well, but it seems that the majority of the sheeple are too stupid to form their own opinions, they are afraid of change and prefer the status quo...cowards? no, they're smart..the U.S is like the titanic, and it will sink, but guess what. Like the titanic, the rich saved themselves and left the poor to perish. When the U.S economy tanks, do you actually think the government is going to save us? No, they are going to save themselves and their friends, the corporations and its wealthy cronies. So, if you want to save the U.S of A, we have to protest, a protest so large that the rest of the world will be in awe..OWS started it, they were protesting on behalf of the 99%, unfortunately 98% choose to stay asleep and act like sheep. So don't call these people cowards for seeking a better life, but even you cannot deny the fact that the land of the free is no longer free..and it is WE the people who let the government take away our freedoms all in the name of security. Sadly, it will take a catastrophe, via war, economic or natural for the sheeple to finally wake up and finally ask: What the hell happened? Who is responsible? Who will be held accountable? And what major changes are needed to make sure that this nation and the world will never go thru this again. Think about it.

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    11. I totally agree. You must fight to keep your liberties. However if you are a 14th amendment citizen then the constitution does not apply to you, It only applies to executive members of congrees and only has a jurisdictional area of 68 square miles located in Washington D.C. which is foreign soil. It belongs to the Brittish Empire.

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    12. I think culture and the different mindset have a lot to do with it. I think Europe is much more populist than the individualist U.S.

      I don’t believe that our government ordering martial law and rounding everyone up in FEMA camps is the reason so many are leaving, but it most certainly is for some.

      The food is way better as they have strict regulations and bans on chemicals and hormones corporations love to put in our food. Women are also way more intelligent and gorgeous than their American counterparts, on average I would say. That last part is just from my personal experience. I really think American women suck. They are also far less materialistic than Americans. You aren’t as defined as a person by your occupation than you are in the states.

      There are many reasons to leave America and the government probably isn’t even close to the top of the list. I think they want a better culture and a different mindset than America is offering. Just look at tea party rally videos on youtube and look at the people who are interviewed. They are paranoid, in the extreme, racist, extremely religious, and total morons who just parrot the tripe of Hannity and Rush. The whole world laughs at them and we have to put up with them. The church trying to legislate to the entire country is also another reason to leave. Bans and restrictions on birth control, even bans on abortion, are absolutely pathetic and are based on the church trying to run our government. Too many want a theocracy. Religion is a huge part of our culture and many don’t like it.

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    13. In response to....

      "I totally agree. You must fight to keep your liberties. However if you are a 14th amendment citizen then the constitution does not apply to you, It only applies to executive members of congrees and only has a jurisdictional area of 68 square miles located in Washington D.C. which is foreign soil. It belongs to the Brittish Empire."

      .... I would say this is only half the truth! btw...what is an "executive member of congress"??
      Congress is the "legislative branch" not the "executive branch" of the "corporation".

      I would also ask...WHICH Constitution do you refer to? - -

      The United States exists in two forms: The original United States that was in operation until 1860; a collection of sovereign Republics in the union. Under the original Constitution the States controlled the Federal Government; the Federal Government did not control the States and had very little authority.

      The original United States has been usurped by a separate and different UNITED STATES formed in 1871, which only controls the District of Columbia and it’s territories, and which is actually a corporation (the UNITED STATES CORPORATION) that acts as our current government. The United States Corporation operates under Corporate/Commercial/Public Law rather than Common/Private Law.

      (US Code Title 28 3002- sec. 15 (a.)(b.)(c.)) Clearly indicates that United States = "a Federal Corporation"
      You can go look this up yourselves><<<

      The original Constitution was never removed; it has simply been dormant since 1871. It is still intact to this day. This fact was made clear by Supreme Court Justice Marshall Harlan (Downes v. Bidwell, 182, U.S. 244 1901) by giving the following dissenting opinion: “Two national governments exist; one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions; the other to be maintained by Congress outside and Independently of that Instrument.”

      You can also go look up this US Supreme Court case!!

      For MUCH more information on this and similar topics, the following sites (which have nothing for sale) are outstanding resources for information to share with others.

      (the above is taken from this website)
      http://dev.republicoftheunitedstates.org/what-is-the-republic/history/

      http://republicsg.info/

      I urge EVERYONE who loves freedom to explore these sites and share this vital information with as many as you can!!!

      The greatest enemy BY FAR that Americans have is their own ignorance of historical facts, true constitutional law and the power that THEY STILL HAVE!! With a very close second place being their own fear and apathy.

      The greatest enemy BY FAR of the global elitist, banking and corporate cabal New World Order crowd, is a truly informed and united citizenry, be it in the US or otherwise.

      So long as they keep people distracted, ignorant, and divided against each other, then YES, America is a sinking ship. The big question is... how much longer will they be able to do so?? How much effort will YOU put into helping to wake people up??

      Whether you stay or go, the greatest thing you can do for freedom in America or elsewhere, is EVERYTHING you possibly can to inform and educate as many people as you can.

      When enough light shines it is absolutely impossible for darkness to remain.

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    14. Switzerland REQUIRES citizens to own firearms.

      You obviously haven't done ANY research, have you, and are just spouting off your ignorant self-righteous mouth.

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  4. linked at WRH @8:35AM, 3/19 (not by me, just a heads up)

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/

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  5. This list is WAY, WAY low. It dosn't include any asian nations, or where all the moneyed former US citizens are going...central and south america, carribean and pacific islands, or Australia and New Zealand. Add all that up and I'll bet your numbers triple at least.

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    1. I suspect that may be the case, but I didn't have data for those other countries.

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  6. There is going to be a tidal wave of mostly white people clamoring to get out, especially if The Usurper gets reelected (likely). The regime will be forced to implement capital controls to prevent you leaving with your cash, businesses and gold. One can easily foresee the renunciation fee rising to $7500 per family member and airfare, due to bogus carbon taxes, will cost $4500pp to fly. That's $48,000 to get out for a family of four - enough to keep most at home as perpetual tax slaves funding redistribution to gleeful brown people.

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  7. Some of those countries do allow dual citizenship, if you have a parent born there. I know for sure that the Netherlands does allow dual citizenship in that instance.

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    1. I tried to point that out in my post, but it could have been more clear. Thanks for the reminder.

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  8. It's worth noting that it does cost more than $450 t renounce citizenship at foreign embassies, and there is a waiting period, and a rather strict interview also. They do refuse some renunciations on several grounds.

    Also, some EU countries require a person to prove their ethnic background, which will be prominently displayed on identity documents. If your family left due to political/religious/racial discrimination, your background will be able to be viewed once you establish citizenship... good luck on finding employment.

    Language requirements... there are.

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  9. I don't get the Euro-facination! Given their tendency to fall into the hands of tyrants, how is that a better option than the US??

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    1. Tyrants? I grant you that Tony Blair was a bit of a bastard, but I don't see many tyrants here. Cameron, Sarkozy, Merkel, and many other European leaders (and populaces) would be quite perplexed. Even Berlusconi, though a thoroughly corrupt and rotten S.O.B., is not a tyrant. Can you cite recent examples?

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    2. Got news for you, America is no better..in fact it's getting worse.

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    3. I love how he asked fro citations and none of you could find one. I lived in Europe for a couple of years and believe me even with all the bs that goes on over there and the immense tax rate, i would much rather live there than being in a ignorant society where people cant stand up for themselves without worrying that the government is going to indefinitely detain them...you rednecks can keep the corporate states of america!

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    4. It took me some time to embrace America, because when I was younger, I had thought that I was the anti-patriot. As it turns out, I was one of the few die-hard patriots left and didn't know it. Not merely a "Rah rah America", but a freedom loving country boy, who had happened to be born in the NYC metro/commuter area. Once old enough to drive around my state, I couldn't be happier when I found myself by a cornfield in the hills. Yes, New Jersey is a farm-state too. About 70% of private land is open farmland.
      I've since committed myself to trying to buy only things I need; with Made in USA boldly and proudly affixed. (with exception to comp and camera equip. 99% is made in China and Japan)
      I have seen old, rusted-to-the-core Channellocks (made in Meadville, PA) turn bolts that Chinese knock-offs only stripped themselves on. America is in a spot of trouble, but that doesn't mean that "Made in USA" isn't still the best in the world. If everyone could take the leap of faith to spend a little more in the store for things made here, we would turn ourselves around in no time. We would also spend less in the long term, by not needing to replace items as often. ie: Estwing Hammers, Channellock and Craftsman tools, Texas jeans, Maglite, Cutco Knives, Adirondack Furniture etc.

      madeinusa.org

      A sound, commodity-backed currency would help tremendously too. ;D

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  10. Given that the New World Fourth Reich Fascist Globalist Banking Autocratic Order is a GLOBAL totalitarian eugenics tyranny, it really doesn't matter where on the earth you live - The Nazi fascist globalists are going to do the the rest of the nation-states that are not part of their globalist club what they've done to the Balkin states, Iraq, Afgahnistan, Libya, Syria, Iran et al - reigning death and destruction down upon humanity. Wherever you choose to live YOU BETTER HAVE A SURE MEANS OF SELF DEFENSE AND THE DEFENSE OF THE NATION.

    Going to the European Soviet-bloc Union, ESPECIALLY LIVING IN NAZI FASCIST DISGRACED BRITAIN, IS TRULY JUMPING INTO THE PIT OF HELL ITSELF FROM WHENCE FORTH PROCEEDETH DEMONS AND EVERY FOUL SPIRIT AND ALL MANNER OF CORRUPTION AND DEATH UPON THE EARTH!

    God help the people of the earth in these end of days! There is no hiding place, no "America" for humanity to flee to for safety.

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    1. "There is no hiding place, no "America" for humanity to flee to for safety."

      They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin

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    2. He wasn't talking about "a little temporary safety", he was talking about demons and every foul spirit and all manner of corruption and death and stuff like that. I don't know much about Franklin, but would he have said "those who give up essential liberty to get away from demons deserve to be locked up with the fucking demons"?

      When the demons come, I'm going to run away, and if there are no demons in America, then that might be where I run to.

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  11. In addition to people leaving there is an ocean of money sitting offshore in other countries and companies refuse to repatriate the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars. Some companies are even willing to accept fines and fees just to not repatriate the funds back into the USA.

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  12. Make sure you don't leave the U.S. just to go to another NATO country. The handwriting is on the wall. Sweden is not part of NATO. Just a hint.

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  13. Here's an interesting story on Sweden and NATO -- http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17918

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  14. I am married to Netherlands women, so I have a life time green card for Holland. My two kids have dual citizenship. I like what Chris Hedges says about being American, something along the lines that our forefathers fought tyranny to be liberated from England. Now we should fight tyranny within the corporate and political system thru civil disobedience. No I am not ready to be a brave one like the Occupy people; they are the bravest amongst us. I may go back to America to help in the rebuilding after everything implodes, want to keep my citizenship just in case.

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    1. I applaud your honesty!! It is very true that just as we are not all endowed with the same level of IQ, neither are we all endowed with the same degree of courage. But how often do we see people be honest and transparent about it? Or understanding of others about it?

      Not everyone has the warrior spirit... so those who do need to stop bashing those who don't and vice versa!!

      When IQ and courage are brought together and applied to a cause which is right and just, it is an unstoppable force.

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  15. Organized, peaceful resistance is the ticket. Our new Soviet overlords are just itching for an excuse to turn the key on their brand new shiny total terror system.

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  16. Most Celebrities live overseas...
    Most Politicians have homes & bunkers overseas..
    Most smart Criminals also have homes overseas...

    Leaving America

    Seems like the most poular and prudent thing to do for those who have clout, power, prestige and knowledge.

    The Elite are lootng America...everyone seems to know this...but the man on the street

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    1. I'm sorry, but this one is too funny to pass up. Per Wikipedia:

      [citation needed]

      I've been studying expat issues for a long time and frankly, I would love to see some stats to back this up.

      Case in point ...

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  17. Why it is imperative to have a massive immigration into the United States now:

    Ordinary Americans -primordially the ones of European ancestry- are the offspring failed generations. In fact, the states involved in eugenics during the first decades of the twentieth century did not strictly enforce the sterilization laws on those people (mentally impaired, low IQs, retards, deformed individuals, disease carriers, imbeciles, etc). Their ancestors were labeled as undesirables by the European monarchies of the time and subsequently, expelled from their native countries. The myth these people came to America in search of better lives was designed to cover such painful historical reality.

    Consequently, the following generations are the best evidence that defective genes have been transmitted from one breed to the next and worst of all, the chances that their descendants’ DNA carrying a more complex sequence of these mutated genes are 100% guaranteed: they can be confirmed by performing scientific tests (bizarre mutations that will make these individuals being categorized as subhumans).

    The so-called Baby Boomers are an excellent case study: during the sixties these people (90% of them European Americans) invested their deprived intellect in experimenting with all types of drugs and having very promiscuous sexual lives (most of the time unhygienic, incestuous and sometimes deviant or unnatural). Today their descendants suffer from sorts of congenital malformations or diseases (a 1:3 ratio) and their existence depend heavily on prescribed medications.

    It is a fact that modern European Americans fail to reproduce mainly because of low sperm counts in males and successive miscarriages in women (a 1:2 ratio). Moreover, many servicemen misguided by their patriotism and deceived by the US Department of Defense were exposed to chemical-biological-nuclear agents and today, these people are suffering from all sorts of incurable illnesses. It is a disgusting reality to witness many of these soldiers and their offspring begging to the US Government to gain access to medical treatment and demanding monetary compensation for the irreversible damage inflicted on them.

    Additionally, with the introduction of genetically modified organisms in the food chain -GMOs- in the early seventies, the majority of these people have now a life expectancy of 60 years at the most. As a result of this, Americans of European ancestry are at high risk of developing new malign (and unknown) forms of cancers and cardiovascular diseases at early ages. It is estimated that by the year 2015, the disable population in the United States will reach alarming levels (a 1:4 ratio, primordially European Americans) and the health system will face total collapse if corrective measures are not taken.

    Therefore, the only way to sustain this unproductive generation of Americans (approximately 80% of the entire population of the United States today) is by legalizing the approximately 20 million unlawfully present immigrants residing in this country and subsequently, authorizing a massive immigration of people from elsewhere in order to be assimilated into the system, so government can heavily tax these newcomers.

    Besides that, never forget the following:
    “It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind…Three generations of imbeciles are enough.”
    Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
    Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927)

    America will need more than a hundred million foreigners to help paying the astronomical costs related to the care of these subhumans.

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    1. Sounds good and well informed, but I'm still going to have to call BS on this one. Post some sources and more people will listen I think.

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    2. Are you kidding?! This is an imbecile, pro-eugenics, sub-human person who is calling for playing god and exterminating vast numbers of human beings because of manipulations of their genetics that were completely out of their control, also by eugenicists. Frack that! Don't play right into these demigod madmen. They are completely, fricking insane! They are psychopathic and sociopathic; and, bottom line, they are completely EVIL, no matter how much their guise of "right(eous)ness", "normality", "humaneness", etc. They are pro- mass-murder(ers), mass-exterminators (of human beings), mass-"purification-of-the-human-species", and pro- mass-"final-solution" eugenicists like Adolf Hitler. In short, they are the most extremely-evil people on the entire face of this planet, and they must NOT granted any recognition whatsoever! Frack them! They are Satanists, whether they know it or not, to the ultimate extreme! Therefore, don't give them any defense at all! They are nothing but the complete and total opposite of God; so they have no true authority on this earth in the least. Their lord and master, Satan, hates all humankind absolutely, and wants nothing but the complete and total destruction of us all; eventually to include all of his human minions as well; for he thinks them the complete and total fools that they are, worthy of only ultimate destruction as well. There is absolutely no mercy for any human being with him!

      So, ENOUGH of all the madness! ENOUGH of all of the evil! ENOUGH of supporting any of the evil! Don't at all be fooled by ANY of the madmen and madwomen like Hitler who appear to stand for what is "best" for society; when, in reality, they are its downfall! They would mass-murder as many people as they can before they are taken down! They are, as M. Scott Peck so correctly said in his seminal book, "People of the Lie", "the evil (people who) are the most insane of all (people)", and they must not be given ANY recognition whatsoever! Down with ALL "Hitler-types"! Down with ALL eugenic(ist)s! Down with ALL mass-murder(ers)! Down with the so-called "superiority" of certain people; especially when those certain "superior" people are the most evil people on the entire face of the planet! There are NO "inferior" people worthy of murder! And there are no "superior" people who are supposedly the only people worthy of living! We are ALL miserable sinners who are not worthy of ANYTHING! But, by the Grace of God alone, those of us who are the purest of heart, the exact opposite of superior to anyone else, and the truly humble, meek, and lowly of heart, etc., will be redeemed from among humankind. Not ANY of those who, in their own egomaniacle strengths alone believe that they can almightily play god and dictate who lives and who dies, which ONLY God Himself can do! ENOUGH of all the insane "leaders"! They will only sell us all out to evil!

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  18. I remember reading a Richard Wright book on the back, it spoke about a black family leaving the south to go north and when they get there NOTHING has really changed the point is where do you go when you're already in the "promised land" persomal note there will be a global fascist organization

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  19. This place reeks of fear...

    Now more than ever it is important that we challenge ourselves daily to become compassionate and wise towards all forms of life. We need not fear death. The only thing we should fear about death is dying in the state of fear. Change your research. Change your thoughts. And I hope that your thoughts might wonder in the direction of compassion. It's a wonderful place.

    Good luck to you all.

    Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

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    1. If only more people though like you, these problems would not exist. We need global community of respect and love for one another, not global government to control and funnel power. It is classic divide and concur. Only together helping, not profiteering. If you understand money it comes from people, every dollar you steal you take from someone else. The economy is corrupt with evil. The world would be more efficient and prosperous if we share what we have instead of fight each other over petty difference.

      IT MATTERS NOT YOU COLOUR RACE AGE OR IDEAS we all feel pain, love, hope, fear. I just wish more of us would feel each others suffering because we are all brothers and sisters.

      It is are difference that make us capable of so many amazing things and I that you all for that.

      Understanding your a unique piece too a grand puzzle, and finding your place, that is what life is.

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    2. Very well said, sir. Yes, the path of "loving kindness" toward ourselves and others.

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  20. Well, I got my EU (Irish) citizenship three years ago and I have passed it on to my children. It may never come to anything, but it doesn't hurt to have it and pass it on...you never know. Ireland allows dual citizenship. I would never renounce my American citizenship...never!

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    1. HOW DID YOU DO IT??? IT would be nice if the people who have managed to expatriate to other countries would tell us wannabees how! It seems that the only way it can be done is IF YOU are wealthy, if you have married a citizen of the country, if your job has relocated you, or ...if the country allows you in as a first generation offspring of one or more parents who were citizens. I've researched this and can't seem to find a direct route that doesn't have caveates everywhere along the way.

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  21. One big problem about relocating in Asia is that Asian people have this one big problem of thinking that all American are rich with pockets full of money. Well I don't think I need to say why. If I do then you people are still living in your own private little bubble. If you can get pass that problem then the Pacific Rim is not a really bad place to live in. I have been hanging around down here for 30+ years. There still is some good areas down here and good for new growth. There is rich and poor everywhere you go in the world. There is those who have and those who do not. Yes the same in America. But the biggest thing for me, that tops all other is taxes. what taxes are you talking about to live on that piece of dirt? What taxes are you talking about that eats up almost half of your income? Taxes on food clothes ect, what are you talking about. Yes these places are here. I don't know about you but I don't want to have to live in the streets on my social security in America. Down here I live like a million dollars for $500. a month with a million dollar ocean view. So take it for what's worth. Wealth does not come in dollars. Try common sense.

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    1. IT would be nice if the people who have managed to expatriate to other countries would tell us wannabees how! It seems that the only way it can be done is IF YOU are wealthy, if you have married a citizen of the country, if your job has relocated you, or ...if the country allows you in as a first generation offspring of one or more parents. What if you don't have any of those things going for you??? HOW do you do it? Which countries are easiest?

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    2. Hello Anonymous #2 (the one who asks who to expatriate). This entire blog is about "how to do it" and if you read it regularly, you'll get plenty of ideas. As for how I did it, I could mention my how did I get to Europe post, but the details of what I did are in my 5-part "work permit" series that I reference in the Start Here link I have on the left side.

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    3. Thank you, we appear to be replying at the same time. I am new to your blog and will review the information.

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  22. Anyone know of a way for me to do this? Have minimal skills, no language and only a bachelor degree...not much, then.....anyone have any ideas?

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    1. Hi Chris. Check the Start Here link I have on the left side. That should give you pointers. I'm guessing you want the Young person's guide to living abroad, but there are plenty of the routes.

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    2. I've noticed places like Ireland and Scotland being more open to YOUNG people from abroad. I am no longer in that category as a 45 plus year old. Not sure how old you are Curtis?

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    3. @Anonymous: I'm 44. I first moved to Europe on a work permit when I was 38.

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  23. I have the same question, and yes I've gone onto Expate sites and it appears that most people who live abroad have married a citizen. Or as stated above, IF YOU are wealthy, if you have married a citizen of the country, if your job has relocated you, or ...if the country allows you in as a first generation offspring of one or more parents.

    What other ways and which countries including Asian ones will allow you to do it? My grandparents on my Fathers side came from Italy, does anyone know how I might use that to get there? Also,My husband is distant related to a place in Ireland where someone there owned a small "castle" - and his families' last name still attached to it but nobody knows who lives there now. I don't know whether that would imply a valid connection.

    Any ideas about these things?

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    1. Hi Anonymous. What you're alluding to is jus sanguinus, or "right of the blood", whereby citizenship can be passed via ancestry. It's generally very hard to pull off unless it's your parent's ancestry you're relying on. Just start searching for jus sanguinus and your country of choice to see how they handle it.

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  24. Germany just kicked BASF out (chemical company) because of their concerns over genetically modified products... so at least Germany has some sense and cares about the health of their people (as do the other European countries that banned GMOs). BASF is leaving Germany and moving their facility to North Carolina. Hungary banned GMOs (burned their crops) and even Mexico is "wising up." For some weird reason, the U.S. has no concerns over GMOs.

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  25. "A reported 75 percent of Germans oppose genetically engineered foods, and few politicians are in favor of genetic technology.
    Over there, opposed to the US, it's actually politically risky to support it! This explains why BASF is moving its genetically modified (GM) plant science headquarters from Germany to Raleigh, North Carolina..."

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  26. Regarding the under-reporting of expatriates, Congress has no power to make any law that automatically revokes citizenship. Afroyim v. Rusk and Vance v. Terrazas set the precedent for this. Even if they get citizenship in a country that doesn't allow dual citizenship, it is not sufficient to revoke US citizenship. Congress has to prove that the person actually intended to renounce the citizenship, rather than just assume that it's automatically revoked.

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  27. For all the Americans here who complain about other Americans who want to or have expatriated -- well, unless you are 100% native American Indian, then either you or your ancestors came from some other country to America, in search of a better life. So for all of those Americans who are now expatriating in search of a better life, I applaud them for their courage and conviction. It is NOT unamerican to want a better life, so if any American thinks that they can obtain that by moving to some other country - then good for them! If I did not have adult children who live in America (I do), and if I could afford to take them all with me (I can't), I would have already left. So because of those two reasons, and ONLY those two reasons, I am staying - but not by choice.

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  28. The number of renunciations will continue to climb as the US tightens the reigns on expats.

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  29. I'm leaving. I'm sure not going to wait around here for them to come knocking at my door for bad mouthing their poor practices and tactics. I'm a single mother who has been impacted by a collapsing economy, but that's not going to halt my efforts in leaving. I'd rather go penniless than stay and be subjected to what's unfolding here. My baby's at the mercy of my choices, I'm out of here. I'm going to share my journey on my site. And thank you for this resource. It's good to know that we the people have a vast community and that we're not alone in this world gone mad.

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    1. Good luck, Juliana. It's a wonderful world out there and I wish more people had the courage to try it.

      Let us know how you get on!

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  30. I also think that the numbers are being under reported. Many like myself in Canada have had dual citizenship since birth. I know that some in Canada are relinquishing rather than renouncing to save the $450.00 fee. Others born in Canada to an American parent that did not register the birth will simply never tell the US that they are a citizen, these numbers can never be counted.

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  31. In response to anonymous who is leaving his student loans behind, I think the US can claim debts incurred while you were a citizen. You need to check the fine print on the renunciation form. That is very irresponsible and you can be sure that you will not be a welcome addition to any country.

    It is not that easy to get citizenship in another country and most want you to have lived there a long time, prove language fluency and have a source of income. Also, you should have some connection to a country and culture and not just be angry with the US. In that case you should stay and make the US a better place.

    I can tell you that it takes many years to assimilate and be accepted and is a difficult process. If you are randomly looking for a place to go you should forget it. No country needs people like that and probably won't accept them as citizens.

    This notion of "just get out of the US" is the wrong motivation. It is not easier anywhere else just different.

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  32. What is the point of dual citizenship? If your don't want to live in the US why do you want the passport? And why two passports? I agree with countries which require renunciation of one citizenship before taking a new one. The notion of being dissatisfied with the US but not wanting to give up the passport is nonsense.

    Giving up the US passport is really not that painful and I don't miss it at all!

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  33. Luxembourg allows double citizenship since 2009

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    1. Do you have any evidence for that? The Luxembourg embassy in Washington seems to suggest that dual citizenship is allowed for those who are Luxembourg citizens and acquire the citizenship of another country or people reclaiming Luxembourg citizenship or people of Luxemourgish descent being naturalized. That doesn't allow many options for those not in that unique situation.

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  34. Interesting post!

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  35. The United States is being overrun by illegal Mexican's and our leaders could care less. Time to get the hell out!

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  36. Curtis
    First, thanks for the outstanding analysis. Many of us see evidence that the US citizenship expatriation figures, published in the Federal Register, are understated.

    The attached study by the Liechtenstein Institut lists European countries that "allow", "tolerate" and "do not tolerate" dual citizenship. Please see p. 12. Since it is in German, I've translated the country names:
    "Tolerate"
    Bosnia
    Bulgaria
    Germany
    Croatia
    Netherlands
    Poland
    Russia
    Serbia
    Slovakia
    Spain
    Czech

    "Not Tolerated"
    Denmark
    Estonia
    Ireland
    Lithuania
    Liechtenstein
    Macedonia
    Moldova
    Montenegro
    Norway
    Austria
    Romania
    Ukraine
    White Russia (Belarus)

    http://www.regierung.li/uploads/media/LIAP_37_Doppelte_Staatsb%C3%BCrgerschaft_01.pdf

    As an example of "Tolerated" dual nationality, Wiki has the following to say about Germany: "Applicants for naturalisation are normally expected to prove they have renounced their existing nationality, or will lose this automatically upon naturalisation. An exception applies to those unable to give up their nationality easily (such as refugees). A further exception applies to citizens of Switzerland and the European Union member states." Comment: An American naturalizing in Germany would normally have to give up US citizenship.

    Possibly you could update your analysis when the Eurostat figures are available for 2011.

    Thanks again for your blog and excellent work.

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  37. Curtis
    This is "Anonymous" again. Following is a summary using FBI figures to estimate the number of expatriating US citizens based on the original work by "Eric" at the "Isaacbrocksociety.ca":

    According to the Federal Register, 932 Americans and green cardholders renounced and relinquished their US citizenship and green cards in 2012. A review of the FBI’s « National Instant Criminal Background Check System » (NICS) data for 2012 indicated that 4,650 Americans renounced their citizenship in 2012. The FBI figure does not include relinquishers, for which there are thought to be four relinquishers to every five to six renunciants, and also does not include green cardholders who are returning their greencards.

    To determine the number of US citizenship renunciants for 2012, please see line 7, „Renounced US Citizenship“ on the two links to the FBI website. The difference between running total of 16,004 at 12/31/2011 and 20,654 at 12/31/2012 is the total of US citizenship renunciants for 2012: 4,650

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nic...nics-index.pdf

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nic...nics-index.pdf

    Furthermore, as cited by you in another posting, in an October 26, 2012 article in Swissinfo.ch, the US Embassy in Berne is quoted as saying that 411 US citizens had expatriated in the first nine months of 2012. If the Federal Register figure of 932 is correct, and assuming the same run rate of expatriations for 4Q 2012, this would mean that around 58.8% ((411x12/9) / 932) of US citizens who expatriated did so in tiny Switzerland in 2012. As it is known that consulates and embassies in Canada, the UK and elsewhere are backlogged with expatriations, the Swiss percentage seems suspect:

    http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss_ne...l?cid=33824180

    My view is that the Obama administration is uncomfortable with the high number of US citizens who are going over the fence, which I estimate to be 8,000 for 2012 (US citizenship renunciants and relinquishers), and therefore is motivated to understate the issue.

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  38. Curtis
    This is my third post on this topic and hope you don't mind. Last summer the IRS requested input on how it collects Certificates of Loss of Nationality (CLNs). It estimates the number of "respondents" at 12,350. I interpret "respondents" to mean the annual number of expatriates (US citizenship renunciants and relinquishers and, in this case, also green card renunciants). This is another inconsistency versus the official Federal Register published list of expatriating individuals.

    https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2012/06/13/2012-14329/proposed-collection-comment-request-for-notice-97-19-and-notice-98-34

    Thanks for considering my input.

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